Comments on: Another day, another debian headache http://www.void.gr/kargig/blog/2008/05/30/another-day-another-debian-headache/ Into The Void Sun, 25 Jul 2010 17:35:48 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: site admin http://www.void.gr/kargig/blog/2008/05/30/another-day-another-debian-headache/comment-page-1/#comment-163766 site admin Sun, 01 Jun 2008 12:31:30 +0000 http://www.void.gr/kargig/blog/?p=312#comment-163766 When I was looking for a solution I had bumped into http://wiki.debian.org/EtchAndAHalf. It may be an official project but as far as I can tell it's not "ready" yet. I read from that page: [quote] When will it be shipped The current plan for Etch And A Half is to release as part of a point release (4.0r4). [/quote] And since the most recent Debian version is 4.0r3, I consider Etch and a Half as "not ready yet". Am I wrong about this ? Emerge went fine, as always. I appreciate your concern :) When I was looking for a solution I had bumped into http://wiki.debian.org/EtchAndAHalf. It may be an official project but as far as I can tell it’s not “ready” yet.
I read from that page:
[quote]
When will it be shipped
The current plan for Etch And A Half is to release as part of a point release (4.0r4).
[/quote]

And since the most recent Debian version is 4.0r3, I consider Etch and a Half as “not ready yet”. Am I wrong about this ?

Emerge went fine, as always. I appreciate your concern :)

]]> By: Debian User http://www.void.gr/kargig/blog/2008/05/30/another-day-another-debian-headache/comment-page-1/#comment-163732 Debian User Sat, 31 May 2008 20:08:07 +0000 http://www.void.gr/kargig/blog/?p=312#comment-163732 atma, το άλλο με τον Τοτό το ξέρεις; kargig, check out "Etch and a Half" (official and supported updated kernel and xorg drivers available soon). The project is addressing the issue of newer hardware support in Etch. However, if you find testing stable enough and don't care that it is a moving target use it and forget about the label. Call it Lenny, "Debian stable-enough" or "Warm and Fuzzy OS". What about your emerge? Was it smooth? atma, το άλλο με τον Τοτό το ξέρεις;

kargig, check out “Etch and a Half” (official and supported updated kernel and xorg drivers available soon). The project is addressing the issue of newer hardware support in Etch.

However, if you find testing stable enough and don’t care that it is a moving target use it and forget about the label. Call it Lenny, “Debian stable-enough” or “Warm and Fuzzy OS”.

What about your emerge? Was it smooth?

]]> By: atma http://www.void.gr/kargig/blog/2008/05/30/another-day-another-debian-headache/comment-page-1/#comment-163546 atma Sat, 31 May 2008 08:24:06 +0000 http://www.void.gr/kargig/blog/?p=312#comment-163546 Well, well! I can see that "kargir" is polite enough to leave trolling comments like these. However it's true that Debian is harder to use than Gentoo and that apt-get is like a deprecated bad version of gentoo's emerge. Emerge should be considered as the <i>next generation package manager</i> by Debian users. I told you that you should switch to Gentoo the server, but you provided at least one good reason not doing so. Debian is more popular, but it's surely more difficult to manage. Well, well! I can see that “kargir” is polite enough to leave trolling comments like these. However it’s true that Debian is harder to use than Gentoo and that apt-get is like a deprecated bad version of gentoo’s emerge. Emerge should be considered as the next generation package manager by Debian users.

I told you that you should switch to Gentoo the server, but you provided at least one good reason not doing so. Debian is more popular, but it’s surely more difficult to manage.

]]> By: site admin http://www.void.gr/kargig/blog/2008/05/30/another-day-another-debian-headache/comment-page-1/#comment-163346 site admin Fri, 30 May 2008 21:27:58 +0000 http://www.void.gr/kargig/blog/?p=312#comment-163346 Well, thanks...You still don't provide any answers though. Debian's "stable" is surely a very stable environment to work with, but shouldn't "stable" be able to run on new machines too ? If "testing" is stable enough why is it called testing ? If by the word stable you include the inability to run on new machines, then I prefer Gentoo's stable tree which runs just fine. Gentoo might have it's difficulties but at least the stable kernel it provides is currently 2.6.24. You bet I will happily emerge my world :) Well, thanks…You still don’t provide any answers though. Debian’s “stable” is surely a very stable environment to work with, but shouldn’t “stable” be able to run on new machines too ? If “testing” is stable enough why is it called testing ? If by the word stable you include the inability to run on new machines, then I prefer Gentoo’s stable tree which runs just fine. Gentoo might have it’s difficulties but at least the stable kernel it provides is currently 2.6.24.

You bet I will happily emerge my world :)

]]> By: Debian User http://www.void.gr/kargig/blog/2008/05/30/another-day-another-debian-headache/comment-page-1/#comment-163315 Debian User Fri, 30 May 2008 19:39:51 +0000 http://www.void.gr/kargig/blog/?p=312#comment-163315 Wow, you are an excellent troll. Stable releases and QA are a wonderful thing (TM). Testing is stabler-than-Gentoo-not-stable-enough. Go emerge your world now. Wow, you are an excellent troll.

Stable releases and QA are a wonderful thing (TM). Testing is stabler-than-Gentoo-not-stable-enough.

Go emerge your world now.

]]> By: site admin http://www.void.gr/kargig/blog/2008/05/30/another-day-another-debian-headache/comment-page-1/#comment-163222 site admin Fri, 30 May 2008 11:01:07 +0000 http://www.void.gr/kargig/blog/?p=312#comment-163222 Thanks Costats for the tip :) Backports looks like a nice idea but as far as I can tell it's not part of the official debian tree, right ? So it looks kinda "unsupported" to me. Can it be trusted for up-to-date security updates ? What's your experience ? Thanks Costats for the tip :)
Backports looks like a nice idea but as far as I can tell it’s not part of the official debian tree, right ? So it looks kinda “unsupported” to me. Can it be trusted for up-to-date security updates ? What’s your experience ?

]]> By: Costas http://www.void.gr/kargig/blog/2008/05/30/another-day-another-debian-headache/comment-page-1/#comment-163220 Costas Fri, 30 May 2008 10:53:42 +0000 http://www.void.gr/kargig/blog/?p=312#comment-163220 You could also use Debian Backports [www.backports.org] to install a 2.6.22 kernel. It would be easier. :) You could also use Debian Backports [www.backports.org] to install a 2.6.22 kernel. It would be easier. :)

]]> By: site admin http://www.void.gr/kargig/blog/2008/05/30/another-day-another-debian-headache/comment-page-1/#comment-163176 site admin Fri, 30 May 2008 08:39:11 +0000 http://www.void.gr/kargig/blog/?p=312#comment-163176 (Un)Luckilly I didn't have to install from scratch, but I had to make an existing installation work again on a new motherboard. If I had to install from scratch and it didn't work I'd probably dump Debian for good and install CentOS or even Gentoo. If I was the only admin in the machines I administer I'd probably install Gentoo to all of them, but I know that many people don't like it, or simply hate it, so I try to be modest when choosing a distro for a server. Until now my choice for machines I co-administer was Debian. I am starting to revise that thought though. (Un)Luckilly I didn’t have to install from scratch, but I had to make an existing installation work again on a new motherboard. If I had to install from scratch and it didn’t work I’d probably dump Debian for good and install CentOS or even Gentoo.

If I was the only admin in the machines I administer I’d probably install Gentoo to all of them, but I know that many people don’t like it, or simply hate it, so I try to be modest when choosing a distro for a server. Until now my choice for machines I co-administer was Debian. I am starting to revise that thought though.

]]> By: HSOC http://www.void.gr/kargig/blog/2008/05/30/another-day-another-debian-headache/comment-page-1/#comment-163125 HSOC Fri, 30 May 2008 06:51:33 +0000 http://www.void.gr/kargig/blog/?p=312#comment-163125 confirmed, I came across the same problem (while trying to install a new debian system (probably stable)) - My solution then after plenty of googling was to install with advanced setup - it had some extra options, although I dont remember actually using any of them, I just installed it via "advanced setup". Regardless, on another system I am using testing since day 1 on a production system and it never failed me (so far). confirmed, I came across the same problem (while trying to install a new debian system (probably stable)) – My solution then after plenty of googling was to install with advanced setup – it had some extra options, although I dont remember actually using any of them, I just installed it via “advanced setup”.

Regardless, on another system I am using testing since day 1 on a production system and it never failed me (so far).

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